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Permalink Reply by Derek David on June 6, 2012 at 9:16pm

 

As far as cheating goes, I only cheated coach V on a single call.  It was the only time in my long, respectable tennis career that I cheated my opponent even though I did not feel my opponent had cheated me.  I confessed to coach V about a month later that I did cheat him on that point.  Anyone who knows me from tennis, knows how much I despise cheating.  Whenever I relate this story to others who know me, they ask, "Why did you cheat him?"  I always reply, "I guess my desire to win overwhelmed my desire to play fairly."  I was the first person to instruct coach V that the best way to handle a cheater was to cheat him back!  In fact I usually cheat my opponent back twice for each time they cheat me (two for one).  I usually explain this to cheaters by saying, "the more you cheat me the worse you lose!".  Most tennis players hate playing cheaters because they don't have a good counter-strategy,  They don't like to cheat back because they think it is "stooping to their level".  On the other hand, I love playing cheaters.  They very often don't know that I already have a scouting report on their cheating.  Cheaters can go for years not knowing that most of their opponents know they are cheating because few opponents confront them.  Most cheaters either stop playing with me or I turn them into pussy cats (non-cheaters) because they see it is futile to cheat me on a consistent basis.  Of course it is always possible for a cheater to occasionally call a ball on the baseline out, without me knowing for sure if they cheated me.  Anyway, I like to think of myself as "The Cheater Killer".  I stop cheaters in their tracks.  I'm a 5.0 but if I encounter a 2.0 cheater whom I can destroy without cheating; guess what?  I will cheat the 2.0 cheater.  Usually when I cheat, I call balls close to the baseline "out"; but sometimes I like to let my cheating opponent know that I am cheating him back so I call shots that are at least a foot inside the baseline "out"!  Once when I did that I broke into a hysterical laugh and rolled on the ground while looking at my opponents helpless expression.  I just couldn't control the pleasure I felt at getting revenge.  Coach V is extremely honest when it comes to line calls.

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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on June 6, 2012 at 9:58pm

so in short, derek is a cheater and Im not. derek cheats me but i dont cheat back, so in conclusion derek is a cheater. Well guess what.... even is you cheat there will be cameras, so you will not be able to get away with it.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Prapong on June 7, 2012 at 12:24am

Hmm, is cheating back good? Well, might as well not play a game at all. And what if you are actually wrong thinking the ball is on the baseline and it is out by an inch. You would be the first to cheat if you cheated back. Gotta wonder about that.

Well, on the other hand, I confronted a regular partner on his cheating by telling him that it was not only myself who thought he cheated. I told him several other partners thought he cheated. After that, he told me, later that afternoon, it hurt to hear that people thought that of him. And his line calls became much, much better. 

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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on June 7, 2012 at 4:59am

well at pelham bay there are "MANY" players there that think they are better than what they are so when they encounter anything that goes against that belief they cheat. uheam let me clear my throat. ( Derek )

example

there is a Guy who came to the park his name rhymes with Lorenzo so we will call him lorenzi.

So lorenzi, while i was at my club in 2006/2007 he was beating up the locals and claiming that he was the KING! .

I heard about this and confronted him say i was gonna kick his ass.(on the court)

now lorenzo err....i mean lorenzi cheated me multiple times in my younger days and even threaten me before a match. lorenzo error sorry lorenzi said to me i was doing drugs, and that he was gonna arrest men or bring me in to questioning..(because he was a bullshit cop or something like that)...and also he was driving me to the worst court in the bronx. the set up is bad, no one plays there, lorenzi could not play at pelham for some reason. there were a couple of other threats as well, things that cant be helped like, new balls...because i am poor.and a child.

so he beats me as a kid.

so in 2007 i said you cannot beat me he though i was full of it, well I beat him 6-0 6-3,

then lorenzo error i ment to say lorenzi, then he went to everyone even called derek saying i cheated him to win and that he was still the king!. ...

so i played him again......i win 6-3 6-0. then he was never heard of again he moved to FL

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Permalink Reply by Tim Prapong on June 7, 2012 at 1:45pm

So how old were you when he beat you the first time? You're 35 now. This must be before 2000 for sure.

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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on June 7, 2012 at 8:32pm

That is correct Tim we are talking about 1996 till 1999. I didn't get back my backhand until 2003. First time might have been 1996 that's Lorenzo. Derek will concur that Lorenzo is an ass hole. Derek started beating me summer 1996.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Prapong on June 8, 2012 at 2:29am

Well, post a pic of Lorenzo. lol

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Permalink Reply by Derek David on June 12, 2012 at 9:14am

Yes Lorenzo is an asshole.  Everyone who encounters him says he has the biggest ego ever.  He actually does not cheat on line calls that often but that is only because he doesn't want to ruin the great reputation he thinks he has.  He uses gamesmanship and intimidation to win.  A typical Lorenzo move would be to strut big and bad towards the net, while flexing his muscles, starring down his opponent then saying, "are you sure my serve was out".  Very often this will occur after he hits a 2nd serve long by over a foot!  Lorenzo is one of those players who serves at 100 mph but gets in about 10 percent of his first serves.  Amazingly, Lorenzo is not the biggest asshole ever in tennis.  I nominate a player who I have dubbed Eric Cheater (#2 for the Yankees).  If many of us on Tennisoppolis, shot video of the local player whom they think is the biggest tennis asshole,  then we all get together to play all the videos, then vote, I bet Eric Cheater wins the asshole award

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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on June 6, 2012 at 10:00pm

PS Derek is so old that He thinks players are calling the ball out but really they are saying its game. and your wagon is here to take you home.

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Permalink Reply by Alex Daniels on June 8, 2012 at 1:11am

I should probably just stay out of this but I can't follow what's going on.

CoachV, you say that you are a 5.0 and a 6.0? I'm sure that you realize the difference between these playing levels is huge. You can't be both. A 6.0 tennis player is nearing the pro level a 5.0 is basically a stronger than average rec player.

Also, your profile lists several different playing styles like S&V and pushing, which are incompatible with each other.

Since I have really no understanding of what may transpire, it's difficult to have an opinion one way or the other.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Prapong on June 8, 2012 at 2:28am

Uh oh. Here we go...

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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on June 8, 2012 at 12:46pm

So Alex ....u. saying. That its illegal for me to push and serve&volley?
And ur also saying that being a 6.0 on a bad day I can't play like a 5.0 or lesser?
Or is it the clutter of my profile u dislike?
Either or I am trying to b funny with my profile and also i can perform everything in my profile
On all levels. So what applies to me or I can do it on court I marked. If u think its silly u can b next.

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