CoachV Call to Arms - Kick Serve Video Challenge!!!!!!!
Rules for contest:
- the Video should only be about 10 seconds long.( rule Change 1 min is good too.... )
- The video must be a single shot.
- The View point will be a Back View.
- The Service Side will be Deuce for right handed players. and Advantage Side for Left handed players.
- Proper serving from base line( so if you foot fault you are disqualified ) & Faults do not count so don't submit.
- Only Personal submissions,( the real you and your kick ) no other videos from Pros Example Federer's 4 Kick Serve aces against Pistol Pete.
- Contest Starts MAY 1st, Submissions due by May 29 th, May 30 th I will pick a Winner ( i am disqualified from winning but I can Submit. I look forward to your votes though.)
- You can only submit one video. If you post & Remove and post again and I catch you. you are disqualified.
- Winner will receive by mail a Tee-Shirt that Says KICK ASS on the back and KICK on the front. oh yeah im gonna make it so don't expect great quality. but it will be free.
Quality of the kick Serve: Height of the bounce, Curve & Kick, And Where the second bounce lands.
Example
Clay courts do not count due to lines changing directions. Cracks in tennis courts do not count Either. All Surfaces must be a hard court.
Good Luck.
Sincerely
CoachV - William Vazquez 404-829-4660
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Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by John Spoerl on
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Idk man, remember you said my video "tserve" had good kick. You asked if you had helped me with that. That video WAS NOT a kick serve
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This madness started because you asked me if you had helped me with some kick for my "t-serve" video. I am glad we are in agreement about what a kick serve is...
here is an example of the polar opposite (and what sparked the contest)
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Permalink Reply by Tim Prapong on
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The difference between Coach V's and Spoerl's kick serve can be seen in how they finish. Spoerl finishes so that the back of his wrist is facing towards the sideline or the side of his face. Coach V's finishes with his palm upwards and the wrist is facing the ground. This is why his kicks do not have the amount of height that Spoerl's does.
Spoerl's body has more rotation, and his forearm turns much more in the backscratch position within a closed snap motion. The way to tell is to watch the leading edge and tip of the racquet turn slightly backwards to the forward direction. When he opens up the pronation, the forearm is coming out of a near U-turn in the backscratch
Coach V's is more of a bowled over the top motion, where the forearm and leading edge is going down the forward direction much more, than being torqued in the backscratch drop as Spoerl's does.
When I began playing around with kick serves this last summer, it began with the Coach V form. As I got more turned and torqued, it snaps much more like Spoerl's and I never bowl over the ball and finish with the palm up. I finish with the palm pointed to the right side fence.
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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on
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please Help me Understand about
bowled over the top.
I try to think about going from the left side to the right side and when I snap my wrist it cuts a little over the top. is that what you mean?
Bowl?
if you are talking about the style. I dont really have an over the top.
I have more of behind and throwing motion. open Style Serve when I play.
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Yes, I agree you have the open style. Even when you demonstrate the closed style, it is with the back foot parallel to the baseline. When you look at Spoerl's stance or say Federer, Safin, Phillipoussis, etc., the back foot is angled to the right back corner. Spoerl has the classic sidewinder stance.
This stance enables the top edge of the racquet to twist even more, the top edge being the edge you see when you look down on your racquet at the start of the toss. The other way to think about it is that the butt cap begins to point high towards the left back fence corner at the bottom of the backscratch position. You can clearly see that in Spoerl's kick serve video. In your video here, you can't do that butt cap point because your back foot is blocking the rotation.
Becker and Edberg both use your stance. But Becker would use a wider turnback of his arms together with the J toss. Edberg used a straight arm dip to get the arm back further, then bend his elbow into trophy at the last moment.
Your arm and hand is always near your right ear, with the elbow bent early and compactly, the other reason you won't get the arm twist that Spoerl does. So you go over the top and snap left to right far early and more relaxed than Spoerl. Spoerl's arm is pulled back deep and then his whole body becomes arched like a dolphin leaping out the water. From the other video, you are far more upright in posture and so your chest doesn't arch and the abs don't jackknife radically as Spoerl's demo. By consequence, your arm does all the work, and it finishes like you "bowled" over the top, palm upwards and to your left. Spoerl finishes to the right like Sampras, palm to the right (for righty), palm to the left (Spoerl).
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Umm... whatever serve you hit with a grip that is not continental just looks like bad form to me
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Permalink Reply by Hal Wagner on
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wish I could still arch my back like that, but that's what a ruptured disk will do
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Exactly, Hal. I would hate to walk around in my daily life like that. Continuous pain.
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Yeah, I can still play, just can't load as much as I would like on my serves start to feel it down the leg.
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I get it
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Permalink Reply by CoachV - William Vazquez on
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This is an illegal entry to the contest
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