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I wish I had the back view for the first one. That kick serve got up! For all the haters that say my toss is too far back, this is how I go T with the same toss

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Comment by John Spoerl on August 21, 2011 at 1:04pm
Makes more sence than my "head tilt being 2 degree's off" like tim said =)
Comment by John Spoerl on August 21, 2011 at 1:02pm
The net is higher over there =p
Comment by Mark / The Mayor on August 21, 2011 at 10:56am
Great serves John - I think it would be really dificult to read where you are going.  With only these two serves as evidence, you have a bigger knee bend on the out wide than the T.  That is the most obvious "tell" to me.
Comment by John Spoerl on May 19, 2011 at 1:46am
The second serve in this video actually shot through the back fence =)
Comment by Tim Prapong on May 18, 2011 at 1:24pm
Yeah, those were the supreme guys no one could read along with Mac. Goran was so quick angling his body to the right of the ball, he got all those aces in clutch. Yeah, Annacone was a great coach in forcing Sampras to stay with that one toss.
Comment by Hal Wagner on May 18, 2011 at 1:12pm
cool, I will agree to disagree to some extent, Pete and Goran's serves no way anyone could read where they were going...I also like to hit my serves off of one toss and have been told hard to read, sometimes i will change my mind on placement in middle of my motion, like Pete's old coach would do, call out serve and placement in the middle of his motion.
Comment by Tim Prapong on May 18, 2011 at 12:13pm
The great servers can do it off the same toss, so reading body language is much more crucial. I am known for my returns of serve, down the line before you can react sort of thing. Connors was my fave, Agassi my other on the return. Agassi used to say he would watch Becker's tongue point the way it would go. lol
Comment by Tim Prapong on May 18, 2011 at 12:06pm
I think when Mac did it, he keeps his head the same way, which is what makes it so damn hard to read. I would sit there watching him and say, "didn't know where that was going". But now with him on the seniors tour, I can tell a little more. It's harder to hold the body still when the flexibility is gone in age.
Comment by Hal Wagner on May 18, 2011 at 12:05pm
interesting Tim, I was taught to focus on the ball off the racket, not the servers gyrations. I do watch the toss, since toss placement does influence the type of serve one can hit, but that is just me.
Comment by John Spoerl on May 18, 2011 at 12:00pm
Its tough to worry about where your adams apple is for me

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