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Comment by Tim Prapong on January 2, 2012 at 5:19pm

I think of Pancho Gonzales' windup as a half presupinated position. He brings it back sideways, then turns it skywards and cocks it the other way. Creates tremendous torque on the arm in a simple manner.

Comment by Tim Prapong on January 2, 2012 at 5:14pm

Um, your last link led me to Zooey Deschanel... lol

Comment by Tim Prapong on January 2, 2012 at 5:12pm

Yeah, it is alot like Raonic's minus his standing position and plus your advanced right foot. I never felt comfortable with right foot pinpointing so far up like that. It feels like I might tear my abdominal wall. I had hiatal hernia surgery so I prefer not to twist and coil my abs that hard. I am getting old and tennisbeaten. lol

Comment by Meags on January 2, 2012 at 5:08pm

Ha never really thought of it as pre supinate but I suppose I do.....blame navratilova for some reason I copied her in the eighties. The foot thing is another factor of watching tennis growing up, a lot of players moved to the line to help the push and rotation forward due to s & v game, its least important now, raonic however still gets that from a standing position.
I do like to think there are some similarities with raonic http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F%3Fgl%3DGB%26hl%3Den-GB&a...

Comment by Tim Prapong on January 2, 2012 at 4:43pm

Thanks for the sequence of your serve and the top tennis training link. So you start with the racquet face open, kinda like Raonic at the start of your windup, then you go circular and then keep the racquet face open skyward into backscratch. Very interesting! That's a different abbreviation I haven't seen, but definitely works, because you don't have to supinate, you've already presupinated.

The other thing I see is your pinpoint is kinda like Ivanisevic, with the right leg coming side by side with the left in tandem, which loads and coils the hips. And from the beginning of the toss, your weight is forwards and relaxed tilted on the front foot, like the Fed toss setup. 

Hmm, I'd love to see the arched back and knee bend like you say. That's been my nemesis in my own serve. I hate arching my back! I know that it is like a limbo position and that you should be on both toes with the heels off the ground.

For about two months, I found I got into that position best using that Becker type motion, rolling from toe to heel to toe on both feet and get into that high quick trophy. I was getting alot of variety off that serve style. But I think what I should do is throw the lead hip into the court more to get up and over the ball. 

That Roddick motion, I might practice that one once a month. I get major power out of it, using that upward linear motion and abbreviated toss. It makes total sense to me why it works. I should stop thinking of it as an ugly serve though and just use it once in awhile.

Comment by Meags on January 2, 2012 at 11:19am

Re: prep motion, I think Monfils and Roddick have a very upward linear motion and If I look at the likes of Wawrinka or say Navratilova the have a very circular W serve with both arms going up at once. IMO Fed and Samps have something in between, their trophy position tends to have the racket kinda facing the ball in the air in a slightly closed position (1 o'clock), more linear, whereas mine tends to be parallel with my body line like Becker (11 o'clock).....also Murrays and Noles on the link below...

http://www.top-tennis-training.net/#/serve/4555535973

Comment by Meags on January 2, 2012 at 7:44am

Actually looking at them again one image is nearly in the scratchy back position and unfortunately I don't have one quite in the trophy position. Will sort out a vid cos from the photos you don't quite see the knee bend, arched back and core rotation from the legs upward.

Comment by Meags on January 2, 2012 at 3:32am

 

here's my service motion broken down in pictures. Im missing a couple like the scratchy back position etc but you get the idea. Couple of foot faults too, forgive me they were just practise serves.

 

http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/ab44/rmeaghan/serve/

Comment by Meags on January 2, 2012 at 2:03am

I will post the sequence later tim......

My prep is circular.

Comment by Tim Prapong on January 1, 2012 at 6:27pm

I'd love to see your prep. Are you going along a linear, vertical prep like Roddick/Monfils, or a circular, horizontal prep like Fed/Sampras? Two feet in the air what is that, two stride lengths into the court. Boffo!

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