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Most players have the goal of hitting the ball on the center of the racquet.

They succeed unless there is a difficult situation.
Why?  Because that is their intention, their goal.


It is also an idea backed up by most coaches, not quite observant of this fleeting fact: Top pros hit topspin strokes quite below the center.


How is this?  Do they know that that’s where they hit?


Revelation: they may not know consciously that they are doing that. What happens is that with so much constant practice they get a certain feel of ease and more control on hitting below the center and they adopt it instinctively.


I happen to coach that purposefully.  I have seen a number of pros have bad days without realizing why.  They fight their instinct, thinking that it is better to hit on the center.  Realize that the torque of hitting below the center keeps the racquet closed and the ball does not fly long.  You also get more topspin and you don’t need to grip the racquet tight.

Oscar WegnerTennisTeacher.com

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Comment by Tim Prapong on August 24, 2013 at 4:34am

Ah, I've read this physics equation calculating the contact time to be 0.04 sec on a serve traveling 61 meters/ second: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090101102006AA86FhA

We need to find force = mass * acceleration.
To find acceleration we use (Vfinal - Vinitial)/ (Tfinal - Tinitial).
Where Vfinal is the velocity of the ball which is given to be 61.0 m/s. The Vinitial is the velocity of the ball when the player is just about to hit the ball. This can be considered to be 0m/s. Since the ball is in contact for 0.04s that becomes our Tfinal. Therefore acceleration equals (61.0m/s) / (0.04s) = 1525 m s^-2. Now we multiply the acceleration by mass to get the force. 1525m s^-2 * 0.06Kg = 91.5Kg m s^-2 

Comment by Oscar Wegner on August 23, 2013 at 11:20pm

Tim, it's not 5 hundreds of a second, it's 5 thousands of a second, 10 times smaller. But if you put your attention there you can see it, sometimes very clearly.

Comment by Tim Prapong on August 22, 2013 at 2:54pm

The Nadal practice session is not good for spin analysis. It was clear to me Rafa was hitting flatter than he usually does. He was also hitting harder than any other pro in the practice courts. But as soon as he played his match, he went back to his usual heavy topspin.

I read an interesting article Borg wrote on topspin for a newspaper.He describes what advantages he had over Connors in terms of technique. He writes about two approaches to topspin, and that he preferred to use fast swing speed to achieve it. He also mentions Tilden, Laver and Budge at the start of the article.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19800624&id=...

In any case, Oscar, how are you able to see where the ball is struck on the stringbed without the use of high speed photography? My eyes certainly cannot pick up what happens in 5 hundredths of a second.

Comment by Oscar Wegner on August 22, 2013 at 12:30am

Tim. Regarding practice, it is not the same as in a match, when players hit harder but safer, thus needing to use the bottom of the racquet more. But measure it and let me know the results. Then we'll watch the US Open on TV this year and measure it again.

Comment by Oscar Wegner on August 22, 2013 at 12:27am

Thank you, Tim. Great data. Spin increases exponentially. I new it from observing and from practice. You confirmed it scientifically (taken from te first graph, with no weights added). It also adds to your control. There is enough power at the top level of the game. You want control!

I mentioned before that it isn't a new thing, players were doing it a long time ago. A picture is not the same as a film, but here is a the top topspinner of his time. Was his impact here below the center? I once asked Jack Kramer, and he verified Tilden hit tons of topspin, and that he (Jack) hit some too.

Comment by Tim Prapong on August 21, 2013 at 3:28pm

I do have HD footage I took of Nadal's practice session at 2012 BNP Paribas at close range, especially his forehand. I will let you know what I find.

Comment by Tim Prapong on August 21, 2013 at 3:04pm

Haha! There's little chance of me traveling to the US Open to do such a thing. But here's an article in your favor of what you teach, Oscar: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/location.php

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Impact locations

Figure 3 — Impact location 22 inches from the handle butt and 2 inches above and below the long axis.

Three sets of experiments were performed. First, spin was measured for impacts on the racquet without weights attached. Second, impacts were made after the weights were bolted to the racquet at 3 and 9 o'clock. Third, impacts were made after the weights were bolted to the racquet at 1 and 11 o'clock. Data was then measured and compared for the three locations with and without the weights.

3. THE DATA

Racquet Without Weight. Upon an informal survey at Tennis Warehouse, most players guessed that if there were a difference in spin due to impact location that high impacts would produce more spin. The intuitive bias and explanation was simply that there is more room for the racquet to brush up behind the ball.

The results were just the opposite. As Figure 4 shows, for the racquet without additional weights attached, impacts below the longitudinal axis produce more topspin than impacts in the middle or above the axis. In fact, low impacts had an average of 53% more topspin than high impacts. This result was astonishing enough that the experiment was performed four separate times using slightly different setups, but with the same results each time.

Spin at Impact locations

Figure 4 — Rebound topspin at high, middle and low impact locations without any peripheral masses added to the racquet.

These results are explained in the "Analysis and Discussion" section below.

Racquet With Weight at 3 and 9 o'clock. Adding 100 grams at both 3 and 9 o'clock provided some surprises. Figure 5 shows that adding weight increased the spin at all impact locations and that the impact location with the most spin was reversed. The high impact location produced 26% more spin than the low impact location.

Spin at Impact locations with weights at 3 and 9.

Figure 5 — Rebound topspin at high, middle and low impact locations with peripheral 100-gram masses added to the racquet at 3 and 9 o'clock.

Racquet With Weight at 1 and 11 o'clock. Changing the weight location to 1 and 11 o'clock produced results that were more similar with the racquet without weights. The low impact had 35% more spin than the high impact, as shown in Figure 6. There was more spin at all locations with extra weight than without.

Spin at Impact locations with weights at 1 and 11.

Figure 6 — Rebound topspin at high, middle and low impact locations with peripheral 100 gram masses added to the racquet at 1 and 11 o'clock towards the tip.

Combined Results. Figure 7 shows the graph of the combined results.

Combined Graph of Spin at Impact locations.

Figure 7 — Rebound topspin at high, middle and low impact locations with and without peripheral 100 gram masses added to the racquet.

Comment by Oscar Wegner on August 21, 2013 at 2:40pm

Rather than guessing on what happened in a photo, look for yourself. You have the whole US Open to look at these players hit the ball. Look especially when they are having a good day. Then I'll be very happy to look at what you report.

Comment by Tim Prapong on August 21, 2013 at 2:23pm

80 percent? John Yandell (who I'm certain you know) reports this finding:

Originally Posted by JohnYandell View Post
For a Tennisplayer article, I did an analysis of 300 forehands, roughly 100 each for Fed, Djok, and Nadal all filmed in high speed video where you could go frame by frame and see the ball on the strings for 2 frames.
More than a third were hit on the center line. A little less than a third were above. A little less than a third were below.

To me it's obvious that they try for the center line and make it often and miss it the rest of time to a greater or a lesser degree a little above or a little below.

The one unexpected result was that there was a tendency, especially with Djok to hit on the center line but closer out to the tip of the racket. Very few balls were hit closer to the handle by any of the three.
Comment by Tim Prapong on August 21, 2013 at 2:17pm

One explanation to these "dead in the center or above" photos is that this is the moment they've decided to flatten out the shot and hit less topspin.

The other explanation is that there already is plenty of torque from their stroke mechanics, it matters less if they hit off center or not. They will still achieve plenty of RPMs. But it is preferable to hit somewhere in the center to prevent shanking.

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