Retaliation: What is your stance on getting hit by the ball?
This concept came up in my friendly match with some of my boys, but sometimes, it happens in tournaments. What do you think is ethical, sound, and PRAGMATIC? I'm speaking about reality.
I got three rules about being hit...
1. Was it malicious? You can tell when they are being malicious/evil/over the top. It's their reaction after the shot. Then, what?
2. Was it accidental? Once again, it's the reaction of the player plus was it a frame? a fluke?
3. Did you just get in the way? some players just play tennis. It's just tennis. Like it's just business, nothing personal. course, if we're playing mixed, and you drill an overhead through my women partner at point blank range--that's wrong.
I got three rules about being hit...
1. Was it malicious? You can tell when they are being malicious/evil/over the top. It's their reaction after the shot. Then, what?
2. Was it accidental? Once again, it's the reaction of the player plus was it a frame? a fluke?
3. Did you just get in the way? some players just play tennis. It's just tennis. Like it's just business, nothing personal. course, if we're playing mixed, and you drill an overhead through my women partner at point blank range--that's wrong.
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Permalink Reply by Gary Sakuma on
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here's a video to illustrate my side and clarify what I mean.
thoughts
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Permalink Reply by Mark / The Mayor on
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That's interesting. I've never thought of retaliation ever in a tennis match. Hitting toward the player at the net is just good tennis. I try to hit it at their feet, and they do the same. If I get hit, no big deal - it's part of 4.0/4.5 doubles. Obviously if the match is not even and one team is far better, there is no need to crank up the speed. So I think this speaks to the mixed doubles scenario you mentioned. If the female is a super strong player, i'll play the same as I do against a male of equal ability. If there is a weaker player on the court, male or female, there is no need to pound it at them.
Final thoughts, I never get mad at my oponent if I get hit. The reason is that in the end our team is responsible. We should never have let them get in the position to do that.
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it's also a major issue in juniors more so than adults, but at lower levels--3.0-4.0, sometimes it's a lack of control but a HIGH rate of power that contributes to it. People got really into this video when I posted it, and it was interesting.
Mark / Mr. Mayor said:That's interesting. I've never thought of retaliation ever in a tennis match. Hitting toward the player at the net is just good tennis. I try to hit it at their feet, and they do the same. If I get hit, no big deal - it's part of 4.0/4.5 doubles. Obviously if the match is not even and one team is far better, there is no need to crank up the speed. So I think this speaks to the mixed doubles scenario you mentioned. If the female is a super strong player, i'll play the same as I do against a male of equal ability. If there is a weaker player on the court, male or female, there is no need to pound it at them.
Final thoughts, I never get mad at my oponent if I get hit. The reason is that in the end our team is responsible. We should never have let them get in the position to do that.
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to add more to the pot
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Permalink Reply by Kelvinator on
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The last part of #3 is prob the only one i would have real issues with...all the others...well i have thick skin...and a pretty good aim as well :-)
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Kauffman on
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Get over it. Its a sport and getting hit in sports is part of the game. Its not like they hit or punched you with fist or racquet, its a tennis ball.
I've been hit many times in tennis and didn't take it personally. I agree with the statement that its smart to go at the net person because they do have less time to react.
I have played Open mixed doubles and had both the women and guys go at me because I was weaker at the net than my super skilled female partner, again I didn't take it personally.
Completely agree that if hit a bad shot, that is what allows the person or team to have an easier sitter. I have also seen where the team gets soft and pushes the ball on an easy put away and the other team wins the point and this momentum carries them through to win the set or match.
Yet if its a social or just for fun, no tourney or non league match, I agree why worry about winning the points too much because the reason doing it is for the social aspect.
K
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you are the man...some people get all bent about it...but some people do it maliciously.
Kevin Kauffman said:Get over it. Its a sport and getting hit in sports is part of the game. Its not like they hit or punched you with fist or racquet, its a tennis ball.
I've been hit many times in tennis and didn't take it personally. I agree with the statement that its smart to go at the net person because they do have less time to react.
I have played Open mixed doubles and had both the women and guys go at me because I was weaker at the net than my super skilled female partner, again I didn't take it personally.
Completely agree that if hit a bad shot, that is what allows the person or team to have an easier sitter. I have also seen where the team gets soft and pushes the ball on an easy put away and the other team wins the point and this momentum carries them through to win the set or match.
Yet if its a social or just for fun, no tourney or non league match, I agree why worry about winning the points too much because the reason doing it is for the social aspect.
K
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Actually, number 3 is the one I accept... BECAUSE I'm all about Number three...these guys are scary though, it's all in their stone cold eyes...tennis isn't a game to them, it's their life
Kelvinator said:The last part of #3 is prob the only one i would have real issues with...all the others...well i have thick skin...and a pretty good aim as well :-)
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While we are on this subject another issue that actually I find more offensive and I have had it happen a few times, during tourneys after the points are over most etiquette is to hit or throw the tennis balls to the person serving.
On just a few occasions the opponent would return the ball to me while my back was turned or would hit the balls to the far corner of the side where I was serving.
To me this is more of an issue than during a live point a person go at the net person.
Although overall the very few times these events have happened hasn't affected my opinions on tennis. I have by far encountered many more players and matches where there was no issue.
It is interesting though players don't complain as much if they win the match. So if they win the issues don't come up, yet if the player looses the issue comes up.
I try to avoid judgments based on people and their looks, how they act, etc., and instead look at the conduct of the actions. Society runs into trouble when we start basing judgements on people according to their looks, race, sex, instead what should be evaluated is the conduct of the player.
Happy Holidays!!!!
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you know my impression is that people that were kids and played--went through the juniors and learned/dealt with all the junior crap--hitting balls on dead points, hitting balls away from you (remember that guy that you played that wouldn't pass you balls but would hit them to the corners away from you...) Former Juniors hate that crap and just play without the stuff. BUT newbies, guys that picked up the game later, and never really played sports, take it more seriously, and do anything to win--the ones that follow the rules that no one follows (you're one minute late, you are down serve and one game...etc) go a little nuts when they hit a great shot...etc... those guys make me mental...
Kevin Kauffman said:While we are on this subject another issue that actually I find more offensive and I have had it happen a few times, during tourneys after the points are over most etiquette is to hit or throw the tennis balls to the person serving.
On just a few occasions the opponent would return the ball to me while my back was turned or would hit the balls to the far corner of the side where I was serving.
To me this is more of an issue than during a live point a person go at the net person.
Although overall the very few times these events have happened hasn't affected my opinions on tennis. I have by far encountered many more players and matches where there was no issue.
It is interesting though players don't complain as much if they win the match. So if they win the issues don't come up, yet if the player looses the issue comes up.
I try to avoid judgments based on people and their looks, how they act, etc., and instead look at the conduct of the actions. Society runs into trouble when we start basing judgements on people according to their looks, race, sex, instead what should be evaluated is the conduct of the player.
Happy Holidays!!!!
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Gary, your theory may be right. I haven't played with someone deliberately hitting the balls away from me since juniors.
(And as you all probably know my biggest pet peeve (from the Pet Peeves thread).
I was to play a ladder match last weekend and my opponent was 30 minutes late. He called me at 15 minutes late and said that he had a flat tire. I don't really know him very well, and believe me I had a lot to do on that Saturday, but I did not take a default or even a game. The woman that runs the ladder was there and she said it was my option - but that is not what the ladder is about to me. I'd rather play and learn. Besides who wants to spread that kind of negative energy. Especially at a club. I'd venture to guess that the size of your city/town matters in this regard too. If you live in L.A. and you are never likely to run into the guy again, it is one thing. But if you are part of a smaller tennis community, forcing a default, can earn you a reputation.
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Permalink Reply by Mr. Jessie L. on
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I guess i'm a JERK!!haha jp
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