Service tips & Questions : Pronation on serve

Yo Tim the serve looks the same.

it's different

coachV

i don't bring it back as far

Hey I'm on my phone

ah ok

Stillfaling to the left too much

i land on my left square though

Try falling into the same direction the ball is going in.

left square?

that's hard

On the leftfoot

i'd have to toss completely to the right and not anywhere forward of the baseline

Supports serve & volley options

well lemme think about it. i'll try it today

what are you trying to work on?

Kick the right leg backwards & not to the right.

tossing to the right

Don't toss so much into the court. Toss closer to ur body.

okay, i'll try that. it's gonna feel weird

That's weird feeling is a learning curve.

so it's a cartwheel thing then, right

That what ur doing now yes cartwheel.

shoulder over shoulder like llodra?

Think more ballet right arm forward right leg back. On finish. Reference service video of mine.

i was taught side arm pronation by vic braden. that's why cartwheel feels weird to me

Change grip or play with grip change favoriting forhamd grip.

thanks for the tip. i will try it. i use backhand or continental on serve

i did that for about 6 weeks. got a lot of power that way

i'd actually land on almost on my right foot instead

No let me get on my CPU

ok

i saw your serve. you toss directly to the right over the baseline, and then kick out your leg. how do you get topspin or kick from that position?

becker tosses into the court to but to the right, so he cartwheels and lands on his right

what effect are you trying to get on your serve?

i want to have topspin slice or flat. sounds like coach v's serve is a way to hit flat or slice

no i Favor the Forehand side of the continental grip

yeah, that's aussie grip then

so a "weak" continental

no that thing serves bullets

Its Still continental

hence weak continental

it's having the thumb joint over the most right edge of continental lol

just favoring the forhand side...but I can still kick the ball....but I find it easier to get kick serves too.. with the a closed stance swing I get bigger spin

i played a Russian guy last weekend who used that kinda kick serve. was very loopy

its feels more like a forehand gip then the pronation is not done over the ball but behind the ball like pushing which happens at contact

yeah you get more of a straight on push with that grip and less of an angled face into the ball

Think about that stright punch but with the palm of your hand and not the nuckles or thumb

wow you two need a video or pictures!

yeah that's how becker did his kick serve, across the palm upwards

like a Leftey serve but rightie forehand time?

sorry internet connection

I will make a quick video right now.

cool

i'd like to see u do it. it'd be a great vid to put up

the demo is almost up

excellent

how do you kick yours, kelvin?

http://youtu.be/auaXwiw5dWI

cool

does it make sence

absolutely

amazing what 15 secs of video can explain LOL

and you can get more of a balanced leg drive on it

not that it wasnt explained well b4 but...

the ballance is simple standing on the left leg

yes, i can imagine it now. you don't have to lean or jump much

with your right arm stright out towards the net and right leg stright back as a counter ballance

that's so mechanically efficient then. good. it saves me from jumping forwards all the time crooked. lol

that also puts your weight into the ball and not falling away from the ball like in your video tim

• Kelvinator

  excellent

• Tim Prapong

  how do you kick yours, kelvin?

• thumbs and knuckles, toss forward or palm up toss to the side?

• 3:23 PM
• Me

  http://youtu.be/auaXwiw5dWI

• Tim Prapong

  cool

• looking at it now

• Me

  does it make sence

• sense

• Tim Prapong

  absolutely

• Kelvinator

  amazing what 15 secs of video can explain LOL

• Tim Prapong

  and you can get more of a balanced leg drive on it

• Kelvinator

  not that it wasnt explained well b4 but...

• Me

  the ballance is simple standing on the left leg

• Tim Prapong

  yes, i can imagine it now. you don't have to lean or jump much

• Me

  with your right arm stright out towards the net and right leg stright back as a counter ballance

• Tim Prapong

  that's so mechanically efficient then. good. it saves me from jumping forwards all the time crooked. lol

• Me

  that also puts your weight into the ball and not falling away from the ball like in your video tim

• 3:27 PM
• Tim Prapong

  i like to jump but not each and every time. lol

• so you never really toss forwards more than 4 inches then

• 3:29 PM
• Tim Prapong

  what do you think of spoerl's kicker?

• Me

  only as much as you can jump up

• Tim Prapong

  that would break my back, how spoerl hits it. he's young. he can do it. not me.

• Me

  so if you got a 12 inch jump only jump forward 6 inches

• Tim Prapong

  ah i see. that's a good proportion

• 1:2 ratio

• Me

  Well the the pronation I show in the video doesnt hurt my elbow & im getting more power

• & im gonna use it in my tournament

• tomoro morning 8am

• Tim Prapong

  yeah, that other way of doing it really snaps the elbow hard. kinda sampras, high elbow snap thing

• Me

  Yeah That hurts me now I cant do it

• but hes 6 2 so he not going at it like shorter guys have to

• Tim Prapong

  i used to do it, sway from right hip to left hip, then jump, snap my elbow high.

• Me

  so i think sampras is quick serving it

• but it looks bigger because hes bigger

• Tim Prapong

  he gets to hit down more than me for sure

• Me

  but he can cause he can see over the net when he jumps

• Tim Prapong

  he doesn't really do the whole rigamarole he used to

• i def cannot see over the net at any time

• Me

  we are the same hight right tim 5 7

• Tim Prapong

  yup

• Kelvinator

  you tall people have all the luck

• Tim Prapong

  gotta hit up, up, up

• Me

  well my style will allow you to be more consistant and not fault on the net anymore

• Tim Prapong

  yeah, that will save me a lot of energy for sure

• Me

  PLay with the ideas and Show me the Video